Aktualizacja softu przekładni 3 generacji 1K0909144...

[grzegrze]

zresztą i tak firmę w karty przegrał z 2 lata temu.. :?

To myślałem, że działało w "komunie" takie szybkie wzbogacenie ale teraz? Wyobraźni ludzie nie mają nadal?!

[TomTDI]

Aktualizacja softu przekładni 3 generacji 1K0909144...

W serwisach pojawiła się aktualizacja oprogramowania przekładni kierowniczej 3 generacji

Dotyczy ona:

1K0909144C 2301
1K0909144E 2501
1K0909144H 2901
1K0909144J 3001
1K0909144M 3201
1K0909144N 3301
1K0909144P 3305

Po aktualizacji sterownik ma numer 1K0909144R 3501. Nowy soft jest lekarstwem na błędy 16344, 16353, 16355

[siemi1]

hej a gdzie sprawdzićm jaką sie ma przekładnie?

[Wojtenio]

Autoscan swojego auta .

[KulfonP]

Adres 44

[nightrider]

Hello, guys!

Just one question. Writing a small story about j500 power steering.

Need the following info.

How can I upgrade my ZF-3 1K0909144M 3201 to 1K0909144R 3501?

What file should I use on flash-disks? There is no 1K0909144R*3501*.sgo

Will this lh0013501.sgo brick my rack?

Big thanks for any answer.

P.S. I've seen TPI 2020089/12, regarding this upgrade. There is mentioning that after initial flashing, the rack becomes 1K0909144ZA, and after flashing curve itself (v074N.....) it becomes 1K0909144R. It seems that after flashing lh001****.sgo it changes PN to this 1K0909144ZA.

Alex.

[spacewalker]

16D will back to you soon.

[1 6 D]

nightrider, first you have to flash it by lh0023305.sgo file, now it will be visible as 1K0909144ZA. Now you have to flash it with lh0013501.sgo, after second file it will be 1K0909144R 3501, now you will have to set adaptation channels 3, 4, 9 and make Basic Setting of G85 and end points. Last step is flashing characteristic curve.

I use VAS-PC 19 and it doesn't want to flash curve in my Scirocco, don't know why.

You are using VAS or ODIS?

In my car I had 1K0909144C 2301. I flash it first time with lh0022901.sgo to 1K0909144Z, then I use lh0013001.sgo and it flashes to 1K0909144J 3001. I drive it few days after setting adpatation channels and G85. Then I flash it to ZA version and to R. I had to make adaptation second time. Actually I have 1K0909144R 3501 steering, but I will try to flash characteristic curve with Skoda brand cd, because on VW brand there is only online possibility.

i have seen this sequence of flashing in stt files from Flash DVDs.

[nightrider]

nightrider, first ... have to flash it by lh0023305.sgo file, now it will be visible as 1K0909144ZA. Now ... have to flash it with lh0013501.sgo, after second file it will be 1K0909144R 3501, now ... will have to set adaptation channels 3, 4, 9 and make Basic Setting of G85 and end points. Last step is flashing characteristic curve.

I use VAS-PC 19 and it doesn't want to flash curve in my Scirocco, don't know why.

... are using VAS or ODIS?

In my car I had 1K0909144C 2301. I flash it first time with lh0022901.sgo to 1K0909144Z, then I use lh0013001.sgo and it flashes to 1K0909144J 3001. I drive it few days after setting adpatation channels and G85. Then I flash it to ZA version and to R. I had to make adaptation second time. Actually I have 1K0909144R 3501 steering, but I will try to flash characteristic curve with Skoda brand cd, because on VW brand there is only online possibility.

i have seen this sequence of flashing in stt files from Flash DVDs.

Thanks for your reply!

I used to flash my rack only with Octavia RS curve (74) and Audi TT-RS (don't remember the number) with VAS-PC (j500 curve adaptation). Without flashing initial firmware.

But now I have VAG Can Pro, so started to discover possibilities of sgo files on various flash disks, related to j500 ecu.

As far as I know, there are two types of power steering racks - ZF and APA-BS. ZF of 3d generation have 1K0 and 8J0 indexes, APA-BS racks have 5N0 and 5N1. Flashing the wrong file can brick your rack w/o any possibility to recover ecu, as flashing overwrites ecu's bootloader with incorrect one.

So I'm a little bit scared of flashing the rack on my car... I want to order from ebay j500 module (with power steering motor) for tests...

We have some people, who say they can modify characteristic curve the way they want.
Don't know if it is true.

What about online VW flashing. There are no interesting curves in VW's flash dvds, imho. Skoda Octavia RS, Superb Sport, Audi TT-RS are much better. I've created this thread in VCP forum with list of almost all available curves from latest public marken skoda, vw, audi and seat CDs. Select file, then flash it with odis_e. I still don't know if sgo files, containing only characteristic curves (without initial firmware) are compatible between ZF and APA racks, so I recommend you to flash only sgo files with 1Z0/8J0 index.

I flash it first time with lh0022901.sgo to 1K0909144Z, then I use lh0013001.sgo and it flashes to 1K0909144J 3001.

Right, the first file erases all data from ecu, and the second updates the firmware itself. It is mentioned in TPI. Don't know why we can't flash only lh001... Besides, it is very strange why this files have illogical naming. If lh002 flashes first, it has to be lh001 instead...

i have seen this sequence of flashing in stt files from Flash DVDs.

Can you share this stt, please? Want to look at it, too...

funny board engine, it replaces y_o_u with "..." )))

[1 6 D]

So first file is in Skoda 1.0 Flasg DVD, name is lhk_44.stt:

;STEUERTABELLE FÜR PROGRAMMIERBARE STEUERGERÄTE
;ADRESSWORT: 44.EPS
;DATEINAME: LKH_44.STT
;BEARBEITER: gx0630
;
;Teile-Nr/Dateiname/Teile-Nr.Update/Dateiname Update/Bemerkung
;-------------------------------------------------------------
1K0909144C  ;2301        ;1K0909144Z    ;lh0022901.sgo;       
1K0909144Z  ;lh0022901.sgo;
;-------------------------------------------------------------
;-------------------------------------------------------------
1K0909144E  ;2501        ;1K0909144Z    ;lh0022901.sgo;       
1K0909144Z  ;lh0022901.sgo;
;-------------------------------------------------------------
;-------------------------------------------------------------
1K0909144Z  ;2901        ;1K0909144H    ;lh0012901.sgo;       
1K0909144H  ;lh0012901.sgo;
;-------------------------------------------------------------

In file lhk_44.stt from VW flash DVD 52 is this part:

; --- 1K0909144J - AM2663336
1K0909144Z; 2901; DUM000001; lh0013001.sgo; 1K0909144J
1K0909144H; 2901; DUM000001; lh0013001.sgo; 1K0909144J
DUM000001; lh0013001.sgo; ; ; 1K0909144J

VW Flash DVD 65 have lhk_44.stt with this:

; --- 1K0909144P - AM2675486
1K0909144ZA; 3305; 1K0909144P; lh0013305.sgo; 
1K0909144P; lh0013305.sgo; ; ;

For two stage flashing to P version I find only one thing in Seat stt file:

; --- 1K0909144ZA - AM2675162
1K0909144N; 3301; DUM000142; lh0023305.sgo; 1K0909144ZA
DUM000142; lh0023305.sgo; ; ; 1K0909144ZA

In VW DVD 65 there is no direction for lh0023305.sgo but names are similar to situation where there is update to 1K0909144H/J

I want to flash in my Scirocco kl.251 which is used in Golf R and Scirocco R, my factory setting was kl.69 which is in Golf VI 1,6 TDI or Yeti too. kl.251 is only in sgo files. I use VAS and I tried to write proper stt file to flash this characteristic. But there was strange thing.
I have created this:

1K0909144R; 3501; DUM000140; v074N2511K0___Lenkung.sgo; 1K0909144R
DUM000140; v074N2511K0___Lenkung.sgo; ; ; 1K0909144R

When there is not this v074*file in datflash folder I have an error in Self-diagnostic module. When I place this sgo in datflash there is no error but "019 - Update Programming" is not visible.
Similar direction is in stt files from Seat Flash DVDs
Example:

; STEUERTABELLE FUER PROGRAMMIERBARE STEUERGERAETE
; ERZEUGT DURCH SERVICE42 AM 11.06.2012 15:24:07 CEST
; BEARBEITER : SESCHNE
; ADRESSWORT : 44
; DATEINAME  : lkh_44.stt
; Part-No.; Filename; Part-No. Update; Filename Update; Comment
; --------------------------------------------------------------
; --- 1K0909144C - AM2668740
1K0909144C; 2001; DUM000057; v074L1591K0___Lenkung_2301.sgo; 1K0909144C
DUM000057; v074L1591K0___Lenkung_2301.sgo; ; ; 1K0909144C
; --- 1K0909144E - AM2668740
1K0909144E; 2501; DUM000056; v074L1591K0___Lenkung_2301.sgo; 1K0909144E
DUM000056; v074L1591K0___Lenkung_2301.sgo; ; ; 1K0909144E
; --- 1K0909144H - AM2668740
1K0909144H; 2901; DUM000058; v074N1591K0___Lenkung_Reibung.sgo; 1K0909144H
DUM000058; v074N1591K0___Lenkung_Reibung.sgo; ; ; 1K0909144H
; --- 1K0909144J - AM2668740
1K0909144J; 3001; DUM000059; v074N1591K0___Lenkung_Reibung.sgo; 1K0909144J
1K0909144H; 2901; DUM000059; lh0013001.sgo; 1K0909144J
DUM000059; lh0013001.sgo; ; ; 1K0909144J
; --- 1K0909144M - AM2668740
1K0909144M; 3201; DUM000055; v074N1591K0___Lenkung_Reibung.sgo; 1K0909144M
DUM000055; v074N1591K0___Lenkung_Reibung.sgo; ; ; 1K0909144M
; --- 1K0909144P - AM2675161
1K0909144ZA; 3305; DUM000140; lh0013305.sgo; 1K0909144P
1K0909144P; 3305; DUM000140; v074N0651K0___Lenkung_Reibung.sgo; 1K0909144P
DUM000140; v074N0651K0___Lenkung_Reibung.sgo; ; ; 1K0909144P

Maybe VAS puts some security code to let flash characteristic?

Can y0u write your own file in Skoda script maybe?

I want use this file:
v074N2511K0___Lenkung.sgo

Size is the same like in "v074N0691K0___Lenkung_Reibung.sgo" or "v074N0741K0___Lenkung_Reibung.sgo" which contain OII RS characteristic.

[nightrider]

U can simply edit the script in C:\SIDIS\home\dat.<your_language>\skoda_31\docs\t7\testprog

t7 = Skoda Octavia


There are two files we need

J500_1Z_44_____1_0309_31_Steuergeraet_anpassen.tst
J500_1Z_44_____1_0309_31_Steuergeraet_anpassen.ttx

U have to replace in tst file this string (line ~323):

\44\CASE SELEKT 6 :
\45\_CALC_ strNAME = 'v074N0741K0___Lenkung_Reibung.sgo'

v074N0741K0___Lenkung_Reibung.sgo - with your desired filename.
In your case it is v074N2511K0___Lenkung.sgo

Then u may edit ttx language file. Reference point is TXFRAGE52 varibale and text inside it:

Characteristic curve \L\S\K\A74\L\S\K\N ... Octavia II RS.

U can rename this to the actual name of your 251 curve name.

Then u have to start VAS-PC, Guided Functions -> Octavia 2004 -> Power steering (after abs items) -> J500 curve adaptation and select your renamed curve in ttx file (or Octavia II RS if u didn't rename it).

U can also send me this two files and I will make necessary changes.

P.S.

Size is the same like in "v074N0691K0___Lenkung_Reibung.sgo" or "v074N0741K0___Lenkung_Reibung.sgo" which contain OII RS characteristic.

Two different curves can have the same size, but they can be different, because, for example, each symbol holds 1 byte, no matter a or b it is.

[1 6 D]

Today I have flashed characteristic to kl.074, I will try to change script, but I have searche with Total Commander and this name od file is in 3 places, so maybe I should change all?

If this is to easy to change, let make it fully customized or it can be copied to VW. I think to backup this two files and make one new version with RS3, TT-RS, OII RS, Golf/Scirocco R.

[nightrider]

Today I have flashed characteristic to kl.074, I will try to change script, but I have searche with Total Commander and this name od file is in 3 places, so maybe I should change all?

If this is to easy to change, let make it fully customized or it can be copied to VW. I think to backup this two files and make one new version with RS3, TT-RS, OII RS, Golf/Scirocco R.

U can change all entries in script, if u like.

Moreover, it is possible to make custom script to flash curve with sgo. E.g. u specify the name of sgo file during this curve adaptation, and vas-pc flashes it.
But it needs time for searching script language examples...however, there is no need in this as u can do the same thing with odis engineering...

[1 6 D]

I'm thinking why flashing is not possible when I make stt file for VAS. Only with this Skoda script. I have backuped this two files and I'm starting to make my own list of characteristics,

[nightrider]

I'm thinking why flashing is not possible when I make stt file for VAS. Only with this Skoda script. I have backuped this two files and I'm starting to make my own list of characteristics,

Maybe turning off version control feature in VAS-PC will solve your problem. But this voids guarantee that your j500 will not be dead after flashing.

[spacewalker]

How many "curve" you have guys ? I am sure you can find a right one even if is not from Skoda. You dont even know how stiff steering rack must be to create a custom curve.
lucky you can do SW changes and fix some issue.
Anyway - good luck

[1 6 D]

On flash DVD y0u can find about 64 characteristics only for 1K0 steering, there is 5N1 steering too but don't know if there is offline script to flashing it.

List:
kl.051 Mobility-Aid for disabled people
kl.065
kl.067 curve 0 (691-755 kg) Scirocco, Golf, Yeti, Octavia
kl.068 curve 1 (756-825 kg) Scirocco, Golf, Yeti, Octavia
kl.069 curve 2 (826-875 kg) Scirocco, Golf, Yeti, Octavia
kl.070 curve 3 (876-935 kg) Scirocco, Golf, Yeti, Octavia
kl.071 curve 4 (936-1050 kg) Scirocco, Golf, Yeti, Octavia
kl.074 Octavia RS, (Scirocco 2.0 TSI, Golf VI GTI)
kl.077
kl.140 Caddy
kl.141
kl.142
kl.143
kl.154
kl.159
kl.169
kl.172
kl.175
kl.178
kl.181
kl.184
kl.185
kl.187
kl.190
kl.193 curve 0 (776-845 kg) Superb
kl.194 curve 1 (846-885 kg) Superb
kl.195 curve 2 (886-920 kg) Superb
kl.196 curve 3 (921-960 kg) Superb
kl.197 curve 4 (961-1000 kg) Superb
kl.198 Superb Sport (1001-1045 kg)
kl.199
kl.205
kl.207
kl.209
kl.211
kl.213
kl.215
kl.232 curve 7 for light weight vehicle (probably for A3)
kl.233 curve 8 for heavy vehicle (probably for A3)
kl.234 Audi S3
kl.235 Audi TT Front wheel drive vehicle
kl.236 Audi TT All wheel drive vehicle (4WD)
kl.237 Audi TTS
kl.239 Audi TTRS
kl.240 Audi TT Front wheel drive vehicle
kl.241 Audi TT All wheel drive vehicle (4WD) and TTS
kl.243 Audi RS3
kl.251 Scirocco R, Golf R
kl.283 Mobility-Aid for disabled people
kl.288
kl.290


There could be more of it.

[spacewalker]

My one is 5N1 .... but I am not gonna try SW update. All is working so no point for me.
Is not a cluster which you can replace within a 5 min 8)

[nightrider]

My one is 5N1 .... but I am not gonna try SW update. All is working so no point for me.
Is not a cluster which ... can replace within a 5 min 8)

U can download latest available TPIs and search thru them for the info about new firmwares.
It is 100% risk free if you will follow the instructions.

Finally I figured out how to flash the rack (thanks to 16D 8) ), the next step is to find out how to edit a curve...Downloaded eeprom from my rack, digging it for any clues how all this works.

[1 6 D]

U want to create own curve characteristic? Maybe you should decode few sgo files with characteristics to bin and look inside with hex editor or something. Find same data which could be speed values for example.

[nightrider]

U want to create own curve characteristic? Maybe ... should decode few sgo files with characteristics to bin and look inside with hex editor or something. Find same data which could be speed values for example.

I don't need to decode sgo, as I can directly download eeprom from the rack, edit it and upload it back. I already have this hex dump, but there are no readable parts in it.
Some sgo crypted with AES, so there is no luck (yet....) to decode them. Feels we have to use some kind of disassembler...

[1 6 D]

I found something about updating 5N1 Steering on Seat flash DVD:

; --- 5N1909144J - AM2678948
5N1909144J; 0503; 5N1909144J; 5N1909144N_1101.sgo; 
5N1909144J; 5N1909144N_1101.sgo; ; ; 
; --- 5N1909144K - AM2678948
5N1909144K; 0703; 5N1909144K; 5N1909144N_1101.sgo; 
5N1909144K; 5N1909144N_1101.sgo; ; ; 
; --- 5N1909144L - AM2668736
5N1909144L; 1002; 5N1909144L; 5N1909144N_1101.sgo; 
5N1909144L; 5N1909144N_1101.sgo; ; ; 
; --- 5N1909144M - AM2668736
DUM000027; v074N2378J0___Lenkung_Reibung.sgo; 
5N1909144M; v074N2388J0___Lenkung_Reibung.sgo ; Mehrfachflashen
5N1909144M; 1002; 5N1909144M; 5N1909144N_1101.sgo; 
5N1909144M; 5N1909144N_1101.sgo; ; ;

But I don't know why second part number doesn't change like in stt for 1K0 Steering. I will search TPI base for more info.

[spacewalker]

.......

U can download latest available TPIs and search thru them for the info about new firmwares.
It is 100% risk free if ... will follow the instructions.

Finally I figured out how to flash the rack (thanks to 16D 8) ), the next step is to find out how to edit a curve...Downloaded eeprom from my rack, digging it for any clues how all this works.

what you can find for :

Address 44: Steering Assist Labels: 5N1-909-144.clb
Part No SW: 5N1 909 144 M HW: 5N1 909 148 G
Component: J500__APA-BS KL.310 1002

[1 6 D]

Probably newest version file is 5N1909144R_1401_BP.sgo, but for sure we need find TPI about this.

[nightrider]

I found something about updating 5N1 Steering on Seat flash DVD:

; --- 5N1909144J - AM2678948
5N1909144J; 0503; 5N1909144J; 5N1909144N_1101.sgo; 
5N1909144J; 5N1909144N_1101.sgo; ; ; 
; --- 5N1909144K - AM2678948
5N1909144K; 0703; 5N1909144K; 5N1909144N_1101.sgo; 
5N1909144K; 5N1909144N_1101.sgo; ; ; 
; --- 5N1909144L - AM2668736
5N1909144L; 1002; 5N1909144L; 5N1909144N_1101.sgo; 
5N1909144L; 5N1909144N_1101.sgo; ; ; 
; --- 5N1909144M - AM2668736
DUM000027; v074N2378J0___Lenkung_Reibung.sgo; 
5N1909144M; v074N2388J0___Lenkung_Reibung.sgo ; Mehrfachflashen
5N1909144M; 1002; 5N1909144M; 5N1909144N_1101.sgo; 
5N1909144M; 5N1909144N_1101.sgo; ; ;

But I don't know why second part number doesn't change like in stt for 1K0 Steering.

This is the first thing I noticed too ))

5N1909144N_1401_BP.sgo is 100% safe to flash on
5N1909144M 5N1909148G J500_APA-BS KL.286 H03 1002